Frontier Fields Q&A: Redshift and Looking Back in Time

Q: What do you mean when you say you’re “seeing some of the earliest galaxies in the universe?” How does looking into deep space allow you to look back in time?

The simple answer is that light travels and the universe is huge. Light travels very fast – 186,000 miles (300,000 km) per second, but it still has to move across the vast distances of space. Remember that for us to see anything – from the flash of a camera to the glow of a really distant galaxy, we have to wait for its light to strike our eyes.

That camera flash shows in our vision instantaneously because it doesn’t have far to go. But distances in the cosmos are so vast that it takes light a long time to reach us. The light from our closest companion, the Moon, takes about 1.3 seconds to cross the 239,000 miles (390,000 km) between us. So when you look up at the sky, you don’t see the Moon as it currently is. You see it as it appeared 1.3 seconds ago.

This is so 1.3 seconds ago. Credit: Luc Viatour, Wikimedia Commons

This is so 1.3 seconds ago.
Credit: Luc Viatour, Wikimedia Commons

The greater the distances, the greater the time difference. Light from the Sun needs about 500 seconds, or about eight minutes, to reach us from 93,200 miles (150 million km) away. Light from Neptune needs about four hours to cross the solar system.

We refer to these distances by the time it takes light to cross them. So Neptune is four light-hours away, and the Sun is 500 light-seconds away. Light from the next nearest star, however, needs four years to reach us across space. We say that star is four light-years away. The light we see from that star in today’s sky is also four years old. For galaxies, we’re talking millions to billions of light years. So we see the farthest galaxies as they appeared in the early universe, because the light that left them way back then is finally reaching us just now.

Q: What does it mean when you talk about a galaxy’s redshift?

When we’re discussing the Frontier Fields project, we’re talking about something more precisely called “cosmological redshift.” The space light is traveling through is expanding. That means that the light wave gets stretched as it travels, like a spring being pulled into a different shape. This stretching shifts light into longer wavelengths.

Since red light has a longer wavelength than blue light, the light is said to be "red-shifted." Credit: NASA

Since red light has a longer wavelength than blue light, the light is said to be “redshifted.” Credit: NASA

The farthest galaxies in the universe would have originally emitted visible and ultraviolet light, but since that light has been stretched as it travels, those galaxies appear to us instead in the form of infrared light. Cosmological redshift refers to that change and the measure of that change.

Q: Why do we hear the Frontier Fields galaxies described in terms of redshift and light-years? Which is right?

They tell us different things. Light-years are a measurement of distance defined by the time it takes light to travel in a year. But distance is notoriously difficult to measure in astronomy.

Cosmological redshift is a direct measurement of the expansion of space. Astronomers describe galaxies in terms of their redshift because unlike distance, it’s a clear and definite value that’s relatively easy to measure without many errors.

Astronomers have different models of how the universe works, and they can plug the redshift into those models to get the distance to a galaxy – but the distance will differ depending on which model of the universe they use. The variations in those models include things like the shape of the universe, the rate at which it’s expanding, the amount of normal matter it contains, etc.

Astronomy is about figuring out how the universe works and narrowing down all those models to the best one, and we still have a long way to go. Projects like Frontier Fields will help us rule out those models that don’t fit the incoming data.

Q: Everywhere we look with the Frontier Fields project, galaxies appear to be moving away from us. Does this mean we’re in the center of the universe?

No. It’s evidence that space is expanding. The easiest way to visualize this is to imagine a balloon. If you cover the balloon with dots, and then inflate it, no matter which dot you pick to represent your position, all the other dots will appear to be moving away from it as the balloon expands. Imagine this happening in three dimensions instead of on a flat surface, and you can understand why it looks like other galaxies are rushing away.

Q: So space is expanding and the light from the earliest galaxies has traveled over 13 billion years to reach us. If space is expanding, are those galaxies even farther away now?

Yes. For nearby galaxies, the expansion doesn’t make much of a difference. But for galaxies extremely far away, the distance is significant. That’s because the farther away an object is, the more space there is between us and the object. That in turn means there’s more space to undergo expansion, so the objects appear to be moving away from us much faster. Light from the earliest galaxies may have traveled 13 billion years to reach us, but those galaxies could be around 45 billion light-years distant by now.

Q: Does this mean the galaxies are moving faster than the speed of light?

No. No object can travel through space faster than the speed of light. But the expansion of space itself is not so constrained – in fact, theories of the beginning of the universe visualize the initial expansion of the Big Bang happening with unthinkable speed. But because the speed of light is only so fast, there are galaxies in the distance whose light we cannot yet see. We call this the edge of the visible universe.

Q: What’s out there, past the edge?

Space dragons! Ok, probably not. Credit: Uranometria

DRAGONS! SPACE DRAGONS! GIANT, COSMIC FIRE-BREATHING SPACE DRA– Ok, fine, probably not. Credit: Uranometria, Wikimedia Commons

We expect more of the same, though this is still an open question that astronomers are researching and theorizing about. We’ve found we tend to see the same distribution of galaxies no matter which direction we look in the universe. If we were somehow transported to a galaxy on what, for Earth, is the edge of the visible universe, the border of the visible universe would move, but the universe would neither change nor look very different to us.

Q: Do you have a question about the Frontier Fields project?

Leave it in comments, and we’ll see if we can answer it.

18 thoughts on “Frontier Fields Q&A: Redshift and Looking Back in Time

  1. Sometimes the question comes up when discussing redshift and gravitational lensing: Counter-intuitively, the more distant, lensed galaxies appear generally more blue than foreground galaxies. What gives?

  2. I do understand this balloon explanation, what I don’t understand is: We’re looking at other galaxies, nearby or far away, but to my thoughs they’re all moving away from the centre, the big bang. In other words, it’s all material coming from the same point. Science pretend to look back in time, to older galaxies, but this balloon theory explanes it different; the further away a galaxy, the longer it’s light uses to reach us, but in fact all material excist at the same moment, still creating new galaxies on their way, but with material not younger or older than the moment of the big bang. I can imagine there’s no material or light at all at the centre of all galaxies. Following this theory it seems impossible to come ‘closer’ to the big bang. Yes, new galaxies do excist shorter, but you can’t say they’re further away from the big bang, they can excist in all directions, but always in the ‘cloud’ of expanding material.

    If material is collecting in black holes, there could be big bangs all the time if a black hole collaps of it’s gravity. I’d leave some DNA to send into the nearest black-hole (lol).

  3. Looking back in time does not seem to be possible or real, in the early universe these complex set of galaxy clusters and galaxies did not exist, they developed their complexity and acquired their mass thru time according to several NASA articles. Is it possible that “the light that left them way back then is finally reaching us just now” and that light has been constant from the same source since way back then and is allowing us to see the galaxy as it appears not long ago? if we were to look back in time we should see different and undeveloped types of galaxies, but every were we look the same structural model exist. Just like homo sapiens, back in time we looked like monkeys, now almost every creature on Earth have developed several futures (lol). Galaxies and all matter we see must of also developed following the same physical/chemist process to justify the structures we see (accretion-multiplication process from the very first two sub-atomic particles). I agree with you Arnold I don’t support the Big Bang theory, just make sure when you leave your DNA combined it, see it growth and educate it so it could be smart enough to jump before it hits the nearest black hole (lol).

    • I disagree. We can actually see stars and galaxies at different stages of development. We can spot “less advanced” ones (for want of a more apt term) Pulsars might provide a good example of this. The further we look, the fussier and more erratic they tend to get. That’s because we’re looking at younger pulsars much nearer their birth. Galaxies tend to follow the same structural model. The further we look, the more “primitive” galaxies we tend to see (my apologies for calling galaxies primitive)

      • I can’t agree with this argument. It suggest that ‘looking further’ goes faster than the speed of light, and that is impossible. What we see is light that arrives us now, not light that is just starting to travel. I refuse to believe it would be possible to go back in time in the direction of the big bang, however, It’s a fact that the light of the sun needs 8 minutes to arrive us, and it is possible that light from in the past existing stars arrives us by now, but these stars are not there anymore, you can’t ‘see’ them. The light is traveling, not the stardust. (or it’s creatures)

    • Dr. Brandon Lawton

      Hello all. Nice comments/questions. I will try to address some of them here.

      First, the Big Bang theory is very well supported. 1) The universe is expanding – if you play the movie backwards, all matter will have originated together. 2) The percentages of matter we observe in the universe matches well with Big Bang Nucleosynthesis models. 3) We directly observe the remnant ‘Bang’ in the Big Bang theory, known as the cosmic microwave background (CMB). It permeates all of space and, due to the expansion of the universe, is now cooled to just a few degrees above absolute zero. There is still much to be understood about the Big Bang – such as what caused the Big Bang, but its existence is not contested among astronomers due to the overwhelming evidence.

      Yes, telescopes are basically time machines. Light takes time to travel to us. Light from distant galaxies took a long time to reach our telescopes, thus, we are seeing them as they existed billions of years ago. What we are finding is, in fact, that galaxies in the early universe do look very different than the galaxies observed in the present-day, nearby, universe. Granted, very distant galaxies are hard to observe – their distance means they are incredibly faint – but the census of galaxies in the early universe shows them to be typically smaller and more irregular in shape, They are less like the grand-design spirals and giant elliptical galaxies we observe in the nearby universe.

      As for the balloon analogy – yes, it does have its shortcomings as most analogies do. The balloon model is nice for visualizing how galaxies are receding away from each other due to the expansion of space. However, there is no “center” to the expansion of our universe. There is no location you could go and say, “this is where the Big Bang occurred”. Remember, space and time itself were created with the Big Bang. So, all of space, matter, time, etc came from the Big Bang itself. In essence, everywhere is the center. When we refer to galaxies and the Big Bang, we do not say they are a certain distance from the Big Bang (since that does not make cosmological sense), but rather we are seeing them at a certain age after the Big Bang and their light has traveled a certain distance to reach us.

      • Thank you very much for your explanation, I’m getting closer to understand the recent models. But still I feel inclined to repead my question: if the light from an (very) old galaxy started traveling billions of years ago, before ‘our’ galaxy excisted, how can it be possible it’s light arrives AFTER OUR excistence? Light has speed, you mentioned ‘light ‘takes’ time to travel to us, but we were not even there when this light started it’s journey. In other words. it should have been gone for billiions of years. Or should I not think in terms with ‘begin’ and ‘end’ ? It suggest the light is always there, it has speed, but doesn’t dissapear? And what when it hits a black hole? What happens then with the past? Considering this I have a new question: Light-waves travel in all directions, like radio-waves, I heard black holes absorbes light, are we talking about a ‘part’ from the total ‘amount’ of light, because light travels in all directions? Does light has ‘volume’ or weight?

  4. Of course galaxies and pulsars and other cosmic masses will be born and died all the time and that process will continue. May be the view gets fussier and erratic the further we look due to the fact that Hubble is not able to look that far. What I meant about the “light reaching us now” is that if it is constant and massive we can see the object very far but if the object is not there any more that light will never reach us and therefore we will not see the object. May be Dark Matter and Dark Energy combined and floating freely in space might be an excellent conduct for light to travel faster than we think.

  5. […] via Frontier Fields Q&A: Redshift and Looking Back in Time. […]

  6. […] red has the longest wavelengths, which leads to the term ‘redshift’. This cosmological redshift can be accurately measured from a spectrum. Astronomers then use mathematical models of the […]

  7. […] at different colors can give an estimate of the galaxy’s cosmological redshift. Cosmological redshift, commonly denoted by the letter “z,” is a number that signifies how reddened a galaxy […]

  8. I was wondering whether the light from a Galaxy faraway that is reaching us now is still in existence and due to expansion of our Universe might its position has changed to us on Earth?

    • Yah, I instantly went to MACS0647-JD (Just for fun) 13+ light years away… But it was not there, I followed the directions I was given, but all I saw was the same type of universe as the one I saw today. I did however see a stranger near the ‘by and buy’… and he told me I was given untimely directions. He quickly gave me the correct aspect coordinate and wanted to come too, and bang we were there.
      It was an older galaxy, a bomb shell of its former self, I thought. Now, the strange thing was that I knew where the MilkyWay should be from this location, but it was not there. I could see many of the familiar galaxies beyond it (even galaxies 27 light years away) the stranger had much more elegant scopes than we had. But several familiar galaxies I knew were missing as well, even ones close to us. I said to the stranger what the ‘hack’ happened to the MilkyWay. He laughed and told me that we would not be able to see it for about another 5 Billion years near what he called the ‘MarsBar’; and when it does appears to us it would have already pushed us farther and faster away.
      I was now just as lost as everyone else… But I do remember his last words as he sent me home. ‘Wise men think alike’ – I began to smile… then suddenly frowned as he appended ‘…but fools seldom differ.’
      The lesson I learned was that we must all learn to be ‘flaxable’.

  9. […] For more information on measuring cosmological distances and redshift, check out this Q&A post. […]

  10. […] to a distance astronomers refer to as redshift 2. That far back, it would be so distant that the light we’re seeing from it would have started traveling away from the galaxy when the universe was just a quarter of its current age. If the Whirlpool were that far away in […]

Leave a Reply

Fill in your details below or click an icon to log in:

WordPress.com Logo

You are commenting using your WordPress.com account. Log Out / Change )

Twitter picture

You are commenting using your Twitter account. Log Out / Change )

Facebook photo

You are commenting using your Facebook account. Log Out / Change )

Google+ photo

You are commenting using your Google+ account. Log Out / Change )

Connecting to %s